You paged Nemesis with: hey, can we talk? *** You have been moved to a new location *** .----< [OOC] Nemesis's Floating Orb >---------------------------------------. | | | The room about you is shaped in that of a sphere, made of some | | translucent material that lets you see through it to forests and | | beautiful landscapes beyond of the mountain tops, but not clearly. Colors | | flash about on the surface of the sphere, varying in a multitude of | | rainbows that shift almost constantly, brightly lighting the room as they | | collide with each other. | | | .----< Contents: >----------------------------------------------------------. | [500][450]Nemesis [Assassin](OOC) and [108][58]Drake [Hacker](IC) are | | here. | | BOT is here. | .----< Exits: >-------------------------------------------------------------. | (S) Storage Room (H) Staff Hallway | '---------------------------------------------------------------------------' (OOC) * Dive [Guest] waves. (OOC) * Nemesis notes you are not welcome here Dive. (OOC) Nemesis> What do you want? (OOC) Dive [Guest]> I would like to clear up this issue. (OOC) Nemesis> What issue? (OOC) Dive [Guest]> the whole copyright thing (OOC) * Nemesis blinks. Eraser arrives. (OOC) Eraser> Dive, first of all - I don't appreciate you talking to Nemesis when I said no (OOC) Dive [Guest]> I wasn't aware that I needed your permission. (OOC) Eraser> @staff ,---< Shadow Incarnate Staff >----------------------------------------------. | Name Duty Code Theme Approval Title | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nemesis Yes | Yes Yes Yes Moo Owner | | Eraser Yes | Yes Yes Yes Moo Co-Owner | | Niaci No | No Yes Yes Guide Staff Head | | Chant Yes | Yes No No Moo Developer | | Azmeos No | Yes No No Programming Team' | '---------------------------------------------------------------------------' (OOC) Eraser> being Co-owner, I believe you do (OOC) Nemesis> Same complete asshole I see dive. What do you want? (OOC) Dive [Guest]> must we be so political? I came here to make a simple request. All I want is proper credit given to the FooCore programmers, instead of a blanket copyright on the welcome page. (OOC) Eraser> We own the copyright to this moo and its code, case closed. (OOC) Dive [Guest]> you do not own the copyright to any foo-derived code. (OOC) Nemesis> The copyright is saying no one takes information from this game saying it is their own. (OOC) Eraser> Dive, if you want to get into the legal aspects of it - we can (OOC) * Nemesis notes that the only thing of foocore that remains is $dive_utils which isn't used. (OOC) Dive [Guest]> if that's all, you're getting awfully defensive over a piece of unused code (OOC) Nemesis> Shadow is an original idea with original coding. We aren't using your stuff, end of story. Now, since we cleared it up you wont mind leaving. (OOC) Eraser> I've explained that to Drake multiple times (OOC) Dive [Guest]> I'll leave when I'm satisfied that none of my code is being used here. As you've admitted that this is a FooCore based MOO, I don't see that being the case. Nemesis @newts Drake (#8147) (OOC) Nemesis> we aren't using your programming, what else do you want? (OOC) Eraser> Dive, we've been over this multiple times (OOC) Dive [Guest]> well, proof of that would be nice. though I'd be satisfied with a "Portions of this MOO are based on code from FooCore" somewhere under your copyright. (OOC) Nemesis> What proof? (OOC) Nemesis> We can't show you, that would release coding out that we aren't lettign. (OOC) Dive [Guest]> of course. which is why I'm more than happy to settle with the latter idea and call it a done deal. (OOC) Eraser> You won't get partial or any copyright to this moo (OOC) Eraser> Case Close (OOC) Dive [Guest]> there's no need to get legal over this - it's a game. (OOC) Eraser> as I've said (OOC) * Nemesis would also like to note that foocore is publically released with no license restriction. Lets us take it and do what we want. So since we have a lamdbamoo that we have used for our programming that means you have no territory here/ (OOC) Dive [Guest]> I don't want copyright over this MOO. I want credit for the code that this MOO uses that is based on Foo code. (OOC) * Eraser nods at Nemesis... 100% correct. (OOC) Eraser> FooCore is released license free (OOC) * Nemesis gives you credit for your code, also notes we DON'T use it. (OOC) Dive [Guest]> FooCore is also copyrighted (OOC) Eraser> even if it was based on it, we would not have to give credit (OOC) Dive [Guest]> lack of a license does not preclude copyright (OOC) Eraser> you lose copyright when its released into the public domain (OOC) Eraser> just incase you didn't know (OOC) Nemesis> If we are using your code then you have a right to be here requesting your desires. Good thing we aren't. (OOC) Dive [Guest]> so, to summarize, you are completely unwilling to even admit that there is any code from Foo here, but also completely unwilling to put your money where your mouth is and prove it? (OOC) Nemesis> What proof are you asking for? (OOC) Dive [Guest]> run grep dive on the core. (OOC) Dive [Guest]> Eraser himself stated that my name is "all over it", which would imply that so is my code. (OOC) Eraser> I believe the mistake here is - what core are you refering to? (OOC) Eraser> when I say core, I'm refering to the binary that runs the moo (OOC) Dive [Guest]> that's the server. (OOC) Dive [Guest]> as for the core: (OOC) Dive [Guest]> [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> yeah, ShadowCore is built on top of foocore (OOC) Eraser> the server itself is (OOC) Eraser> if your calling that the server (OOC) Eraser> and the database the core (OOC) Dive [Guest]> you'll also note that the foo mods in the server are NOT public domain. (OOC) Eraser> you'll also note that being freely downloaded from your website, makes that statement not true (OOC) Dive [Guest]> bullshit. (OOC) Eraser> http://www.foomoo.org/FooCORE/download.html [Type lines of input; use `.' to end or `@abort' to abort the command.] -----------------------------------Guest----------------------------------- dive@ender:/home/dive/mooserver % head -30 foomods.c /* $egnet: foomods.c,v 1.30 2006/03/25 01:24:08 dive Exp $ */ /* * Copyright (c) 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 * Sean Davis * All rights reserved. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND * ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE * IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE * ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE * FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL * DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS * OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) * HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT * LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY * OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF * SUCH DAMAGE. */ ---------------------------------finished---------------------------------- 29 lines pasted. (OOC) Dive [Guest]> are you aware that that's a license? (OOC) Dive [Guest]> thus... not public domain? (OOC) Dive [Guest]> something doesn't become public domain just because you can download it. (OOC) Eraser> can you read? (OOC) Dive [Guest]> can you carry on a conversation without resorting to childish insults? (OOC) Eraser> its your own "license" (OOC) Dive [Guest]> uh... yes, what difference does that make? it's a BSD license (OOC) Eraser> All that says is that it must remain on the code itself... and since you do not have access to the code, and no one else does (OOC) Eraser> whether its there or not, you cannot prove (OOC) Eraser> and if you wish to decompile my binary, I will be all over you on the basis of the DMCA (OOC) * Dive [Guest] laughs. (OOC) Dive [Guest]> what binary? (OOC) Eraser> the server (OOC) Dive [Guest]> it'd be rather hard for me to decompile that, wouldn't it? given that I don't have a copy? (OOC) Eraser> case, and point *** A loud *DONG* can be heard as the town clock strikes Noon. *** (OOC) Dive [Guest]> then uh... make stupid threats much? (OOC) Eraser> you did? (OOC) Dive [Guest]> anyway, we're referring to the core, as in the MOOcode, not the server. (OOC) Nemesis> dive, sleep easy tonight ok? We aren't using your code. You need to get out what you need now because in a minute, I am booting you. (OOC) Eraser> the moocode has no license on it (OOC) Eraser> what you pasted me refers to the server (OOC) Eraser> being that it came from foomods.c (OOC) Dive [Guest]> let me know when you graduate middle school. maybe your level of maturity will increase. though I'm not holding my breath.