12:31 PM Logfile from Shadow Incarnate (Drake). gp: #1993 gp_feature: #1995 newsbin: #1994 someone: #7409 mindgame: #1098 maze: #2110 orb: #2051 target: #2794 track: #2795 bag: #2798 progroom: #1180 newsletter: #2817 ShadowChan: #360 frigate: #1071 cruiser: #1078 fighter: #2168 bomber: #2185 interceptor: #2341 industrial: #2358 capital_ship: #2360 sdroid: #2361 splayer: #1199 ch_weapon: #2720 ch_armor: #2722 vend: #2723 microsoft: #2724 ch_clip: #2725 modifier: #2726 ch_blade: #2730 ch_gun: #2731 ch_vehicle: #2881 explosive: #2949 ch_melee: #2973 controller: #2981 furniture: #2929 training_npc: #2962 training_room_shooting: #2968 ai_ship: #2970 new_mail_editor: #3570 publicship: #105 ic_room: #2886 nowhere: #3628 Contents: WHO Macro Options (#118) [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> most things you really don't need to see how it wor= ks, like exp, just call player:exp(amount); to give them exp [Prog] * Drake [Hacker] nods. [Prog] Drake [Hacker]> hahaha! =3D> #95 (dive_utils) [Prog] Drake [Hacker]> oh man, you really need to put +foo whatever back in= the @dbinfo stuff. [Prog] Drake [Hacker]> especially when you still have things like dive_util= s [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> why? [Prog] Drake [Hacker]> becuase dive_utils are only on foocore, I believe. [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> yeah, ShadowCore is built on top of foocore [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> so it'll contain some of the same stuff [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> but most have been changed [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> or recoded [Prog] Drake [Hacker]> not to sound critical or whatever here, but for peop= le who are very careful about what code I'm even allowed to look at, you ar= e very liberal on your use of other people's code without credit. [General] Chant [Swordsman]> I saw one earlier that was around 50% [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> they had credit, when it was their code [General] Chant [Swordsman]> Here we go, help me with programming the GunTe= ch skills. ;) [General] * Drake [Hacker] laughs. [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> now that pretty much all of their stuff has been re= coded, its not theirs anymore 53 verbs found on dive_utils (#95). +----------------------+-------+-----------------+-----------+ | Verb Name | Perms | Verb Owner | Arguments | +----------------------+-------+-----------------+-----------+-------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | size | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | init_objdir | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | folder_names | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | list_folder | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | folder_size | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | add_folder | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | remove_folder | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | put | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | find_object | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | folder_num | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | delete | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | all_items | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | check_item | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | clean_objdir | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | object_bytes | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | new | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | is_folder | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | folder | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | folder_line | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | get_linelen | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | getfolder | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | update_objdir | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | new_folder | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | freequota | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | show_verbs | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | show_props | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | strtypeof | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | sin | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | show_callers | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | trim | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | readable_verbs | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | blank_list | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | rnd_inactive | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | match_players | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | map_eval | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | pad_line | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | seconds_until_date | rx | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | strftime | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | inactive_time | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | is_wiz | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | wizards | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | vobjs | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | olist | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | iobjs | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | newmail | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | vtree2 | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | vtree | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | bi_info | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | random_chars | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | bad_email | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | bad_name | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | create_player | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | | extract_objlist | rxd | MooAdmin (#2) | this none this = | +----------------------+-------+-----------------+-------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ 53 verbs found on dive_utils (#95). [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> yes, $dive_utils is still here [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> but the only thing that really uses $dive_utils is = $dive_utils itself Project Name: Progress: Open: Members: ------------------------- --------- ----- ------------------------------= -------------------------------------------------- Random Events 0% Yes Nemesis = =20 Chemistry Skill 0% Yes Nemesis = =20 Assassin Skill Modifica' 95% No Nemesis = =20 Skill Levels 80% No Nemesis = =20 GunTech 50% Yes Eraser = =20 *AI Computers 100% No Nemesis = =20 *@newpw 100% No Nemesis = =20 *Mail System 100% No Nemesis = =20 *Intermoo Remote Fix 100% No Nemesis = =20 Room Parents 25% Yes Nemesis = =20 *Wire 100% No Nemesis = =20 *Ships 100% No Nemesis = =20 ---- [ Projects: 12 ][ Open: 4 ][ Average Progress: |||||||||| (70%) ] ----= -------------------------------------------------- .----< Options: >----------------------.----< Information: >---------------= ------------------------------------------------. | [1] Add Project | Total Projects: 12 = | | [2] Remove Project | Open Projects: 12 = | | [3] Modify Project | Closed Projects: 0 = | | [4] Quit | Average Progress: ||||||||||||||||= |||| | .----< Projects: >---------------------. People working on projects: Nemesi= s and Eraser. | | [5] Random Events | = | | [6] Chemistry Skill | = | | [7] Assassin Skill Modification | = | | [8] Skill Levels | = | | [9] GunTech | = | | [10] * AI Computers | = | | [11] * @newpw | = | | [12] * Mail System | = | | [13] * Intermoo Remote Fix | = | | [14] Room Parents | = | | [15] * Wire | = | | [16] * Ships | = | '--------------------------------------'-----------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------' [Type a line of input or `@abort' to abort the command.] .----< Options: >----------------------.----< Information: >---------------= ------------------------------------------------. | [1] Back | Title: GunTech = | | [2] Join Project | Description: = | | | Weapon modifications, upgrades, an= d the like. | | | Participants: Eraser = | | | Open: Yes = | | | Progress: 50% = | | | Project Owner: Eraser = | '--------------------------------------'-----------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------' [Type a line of input or `@abort' to abort the command.] You have joined this project. .----< Options: >----------------------.----< Information: >---------------= ------------------------------------------------. | [1] Add Project | Total Projects: 12 = | | [2] Remove Project | Open Projects: 12 = | | [3] Modify Project | Closed Projects: 0 = | | [4] Quit | Average Progress: ||||||||||||||||= |||| | .----< Projects: >---------------------. People working on projects: Nemesi= s, Eraser, and Drake. | | [5] Random Events | = | | [6] Chemistry Skill | = | | [7] Assassin Skill Modification | = | | [8] Skill Levels | = | | [9] GunTech | = | | [10] * AI Computers | = | | [11] * @newpw | = | | [12] * Mail System | = | | [13] * Intermoo Remote Fix | = | | [14] Room Parents | = | | [15] * Wire | = | | [16] * Ships | = | '--------------------------------------'-----------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------' [Type a line of input or `@abort' to abort the command.] >> Command Aborted << [Prog] Drake [Hacker]> alright, enough about that [Prog] Drake [Hacker]> I'm not going to bother becuase I know if I do someb= ody will end up pissed and there's no point in that. [Prog] Drake [Hacker]> now, guntech. What exactly are we trying to do? [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> pretty much allow customizations to weapons [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> Chant's Heading up that project, gotta talk to him = about specifics Eraser (#152) Drake (#8147) * 2 members on Prog [General] Drake [Hacker]> alright Chant, what are we doing with guntech? Sorry, but no help is available on `programmer-policy'. [General] Chant [Swordsman]> making 'modifiers' for them. if you'd like, he= lp come up with a way to determine if a gun will jam, and then require a gu= n repair kit and a the skill to repair. ;) Sorry, but the topic-name `prog' is ambiguous. I don't know which of the f= ollowing topics you mean: prog-index @program @programmeroptions =20 @prog-options @program# programmers =20 @progoptions @programmer-options programming =20 --- Help File 'programmers' from Help DB 'Ga= me Help (#1028) --- =20 The programming Team is a special designed group of players who have tested= their knowledge of programming and surpassed the basics. They are hired to= continue the growth of the game and the detail of its realism. While they = are the backbone of the labor their jobs are laid out as to what is needed = and subject to approval from the Elders before it is put into use. Any atta= cks made on the server or game will not be tolerated; it can/will result in= banning from the game. The test is a series of questions as well as demons= tration. You are required to pass the test with an 85% or better to make th= e staff. If you fail you are allowed to retake the test again but no sooner= than 2 weeks. A new test will be issued and no player will ever recieve th= e same test (helps with cheating purposes). Activity is also required; we ask at least 5 hours every week. Refusing to talk or interact with certain people may result in being denied= access to a programmer status. Current warnings in the database can preve= nt you from being interviewed. --- End of Help File --- = =20 [General] Chant [Swordsman]> heck, even a way to have guntech's be able to = make their own custom weapons for other people. --- Help File 'programming' from Help DB 'Prog= rammer Help (#22) --- =20 MOO contains a rich programming language for the creation of interesting ro= oms, exits, and other objects. Help is available on the following topics c= oncerning programming in MOO: language -- a brief reference for the syntax and semantics of the MOO langu= age tasks -- a brief description of MOO tasks and their resource limits @property -- adding a property to an object @rmproperty -- removing a property from an object @verb -- adding a verb to an object @rmverb -- removing a verb from an object @args -- changing the syntax of a verb @copy -- copying a verb from one object to another .program/@program -- entering the program for a verb @list -- printing a listing of the program for a verb @edit -- editing verb code @show -- looking at all the details of an object, a property, or a verb @parents -- listing the ancestors of an object @kids -- listing the children of an object @contents -- listing the contents of an object @chmod -- changing the permissions on an object, a property, or a verb @chparent -- changing the parent of an object @rename -- changing the name of a verb or object eval -- executing MOO statements and expressions without writing a verb --- End of Help File --- = =20 [General] * Drake [Hacker] nods. [General] Drake [Hacker]> alright, I'll look into it. Chant pages with: do you have an AIM account? In Reply To Chant: Drake does, but doesn't have AIM on this computer. ,---< Drake [Hacker] >-----------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------. | Full name: Drake Esbenshade = | | Alias: Drake = | +-< Date of Birth >--------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | June 18, 3069 = | | Age: 25 = | +-< Personality >----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Drake is a casual person, only reacting when the situation dictates and r= equires it. He realizes that, much more often | | than not, things can't be changed from the way they are now, so he doesn'= t like to fuss about things too much. | +-< Background >-----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Drake was manufactured on Aikion Vale, by a pigfarmer and his buck toothe= d wife. They didn't know how to screw things, | | so they used paste to assemble him, paste made of pigs' fat and mud. For= parts, they used the spark spitting remains of | | a talking washing machine, and a working toy tractor, a misdirected gift = from Sardis. The washing machine used to | | identify and specify every article of clothing put into it, and from crea= tion, Drake had this strange fascination with | | the clasps of bras. = | | = | | One day, while the McKanner's daughters were visiting, Drake attempted to= remove the bra from one, and was thus ejected | | from the house permanently. A junk dealer took the mischief-causing robot= to the docks, to try and barter or sell him | | off to a passing traveller. One foolish bloke took the robot, and only up= on reaching Eridos did he realize what a | | disastrous transaction had been made for a piece of technology that ruine= d any chances of his procreating. While the | | bloke was on a date, Drake followed and attempted to remove the bra of th= e bloke's date. Drake was then abandoned | | outside of the Eridos Spaceport. So now he wanders, abandoned, lost, and = still unguided. Poor thing. | | = | | Well, he used to do that. A long while back, a kind soul took pity on Dr= ake. He realized the potential that Drake had, | | the things that he could become and he repaired Drake. Nothing fancy, ju= st enough to end his complete fixation with | | mammaries. Drake protected that man until he died of old age. To this d= ay, he looks for work wherever he can find it. | | Having had his moralistic circuits removed or bypassed, this usually mean= s it involves killing or stealing or another | | such illegal activity. = | +-< Family Tree >----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | = | +-< Public Knowledge >-----------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | = | +-< Army >-----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Silver Dragons = | +-< OOC Name >-------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | OOC name is unset. = | +-< OOC Age >--------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | OOC Age is unset. = | +-< OOC Location >---------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | OOC Location is unset. = | +-< OOC Email >------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | OOC Email is unset. = | +-< Aim/ICQ/MSN >----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Aim/ICQ/MSN is unset. = | +-< OOC Interests >--------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | OOC Interests is unset. = | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Drake is a programmer. = | '--------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------' Chant replied: any way to talk off-MOO atm? In Reply To Chant: ...MSN? Chant pages with: what's your name on there? Chant replied: or just message me on there, mine is address@domain.com =3D> #83 (Stage-Talk Feature) [General] Chant [Swordsman]> you know you got good chinese when it's still = delicious while it's cold [General] * Eraser [Hacker] heads to sleep. [General] * Chant [Swordsman] just woke up. :P ,---< Chant [Swordsman] >--------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------. | Full name: David Case = | | Alias: Chant = | +-< Date of Birth >--------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | May 20, 2092 = | | Age: 1001 = | +-< Personality >----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Chant seems to be a calm, down to earth type of person to most who see hi= m. For those who rarely see his other sides, | | they likely do not have long to live. Although he is not easily worked up= , he will not take any bullshit from anyone, | | and will lay down anyone in the path towards his goals. Despite his calm = exterior, he also enjoys a number of high-speed | | and dangerous activities. = | +-< Background >-----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Chant has been around for quite some time in the universe. Not much is kn= own about him... Rumors have it that Chant is | | the owner of a number of companies, all of which have dated back hundreds= of years and have gone by many different | | names. Now, he roams the stars looking for new planets and people to expe= rience, merely looking for excitement in one | | form or another. He is, simply said... an adrenaline junkie. = | +-< Family Tree >----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | = | +-< Public Knowledge >-----------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | = | +-< Army >-----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Civilian = | +-< OOC Name >-------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Case = | +-< OOC Age >--------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | 21 = | +-< OOC Location >---------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Vegas = | +-< OOC Email >------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | case@carbonphiber.com = | +-< Aim/ICQ/MSN >----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | AIM: ItsunomanikaGT YIM: killadrifterrx7 MSN: case_is_dead@hotmail.com = | +-< OOC Interests >--------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | wakeboarding, any type of auto racing = | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Chant is a programmer. = | | Chant is a wizard. = | | Chant is an admin. = | '--------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------' [General] Wheels [Civilian]> lol [General] Chant [Swordsman]> howdy Wheels :) [General] Wheels [Civilian]> what up=09 [General] Chant [Swordsman]> nommuch, what're you up to? [General] Wheels [Civilian]> nothing much, out of money hehe i was supposed= to go to a concert tonight...had to sell my ticket [General] Chant [Swordsman]> damn.. which concert? [General] Wheels [Civilian]> Jaguares and Elefante=09 [General] Chant [Swordsman]> humm... i dunno 'em [General] Wheels [Civilian]> two big spanish rock bands [General] Chant [Swordsman]> ahhh, cool [General] Wheels [Civilian]> yeah, woulda been bad...beer and girls galore = ;p=09 [General] Chant [Swordsman]> how was your trip to mehico anyway? [General] Wheels [Civilian]> it was good [General] Wheels [Civilian]> the girl I took forgot her id so we had to bar= gain her in everywhere [General] Chant [Swordsman]> good good [General] Chant [Swordsman]> lol [General] Wheels [Civilian]> but other than that it was packed! [General] Chant [Swordsman]> right on :) [General] Wheels [Civilian]> heh, do anything good? [General] Wheels [Civilian]> aren't you in Vegas? If so what kinda question= is that? ;p [General] Chant [Swordsman]> i'm in Vegas [General] Chant [Swordsman]> but I didn't do anything good except TKD today= , lol [General] Wheels [Civilian]> heh [General] * Wheels [Civilian] was supposed to go up there but couldn't scro= unge up an ID connect so heh [General] * Chant [Swordsman] chuckles. [General] Chant [Swordsman]> how long till you're 21? [General] Wheels [Civilian]> march [General] Wheels [Civilian]> not too long but heh [General] Chant [Swordsman]> fuckin 'a. i'll still be here, so let me know = if you come out here for your birthday;) [General] Wheels [Civilian]> yeah we were [General] Wheels [Civilian]> or are heh [General] Chant [Swordsman]> rad :) [General] Wheels [Civilian]> or at least the two guys who turned 21 before = us in the crew did and invited us but would've kinda sucked if you're not 2= 1 heh [General] Chant [Swordsman]> If I still got a spare room, you're more than = welcome to bring an air mattress and crash out here or somethin so you don'= t gotta pay for the hotel room. [General] Wheels [Civilian]> that'd be cool [General] * Chant [Swordsman] gives the 'thumbs-up' sign. [General] Wheels [Civilian]> heh There is new activity on the following lists: *General (#165) 21 new messages *Changes (#2874) 33 new messages *Tinyplots (#901) 16 new messages *Announcements (#296) 1 new message *Vacation (#168) 7 new messages *Crap (#169) 9 new messages -- End of listing [Login] Eblis has signed on. [General] Chant [Swordsman]> Ebby-chan! You live! [General] Eblis [Medic]> Chant-sama! I do! [General] Eblis [Medic]> Save me, I've been captured by Larkhill! [General] Chant [Swordsman]> ehh, tough beans :P [General] Eblis [Medic]> Unless you wanna magically jump out of the O'Shaug= nessy house and rescue me from the boy who has no armor or guns... ;) [General] Eblis [Medic]> Boo-urns. [General] * Eblis [Medic] cries. [General] Chant [Swordsman]> hehe , =3D=3D=3D=3DPlayers=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DIdle=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle= =3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D . | Drake 0 Sec Hacker PFC Silver Dragons = | | Eblis 27 Sec Medic GNE Civilian = | | Fira 5:12 Min Thief CIV Civilian = | | Irony 5:30 Min Soldier GNE Civilian = | | Turi 5:39 Min Sharpshooter MG Silver Dragons = | | Xila 5:44 Min Soldier SPC Shadow Elite = | | Wheels 28:50 Min Civilian CIV Civilian = | | Ajax 1:29 Hrs Civilian GNE Civilian = | + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DAdmin=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D + | Chant 17 Sec Swordsman CEO Civilian = | | ? Eraser ..:.. ... Hacker GOA Shadow Elite = | ' =3D=3D=3D10 Online=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ' [3 people active recently. 30.0% active. 10.0% active status.] [? =3D Guide] [who * for more listings] [General] Chant [Swordsman]> and why would have to 'magically' jump out? :P [General] Eblis [Medic]> Cause it's right outside the O'Shaugnessy beachhou= se, so you might be able to just peer out the window and notice that Ajax a= nd Eblis -aren't- snogging on top of his new hovercar. [General] Chant [Swordsman]> mmhmmm [Prog] Drake [Hacker]> this is stupid , =3D=3D=3D=3DPlayers=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DIdle=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle= =3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D . | Drake 0 Sec Hacker PFC Silver Dragons = | | Eblis 1:27 Min Medic GNE Civilian = | | Fira 7:23 Min Thief CIV Civilian = | | Irony 7:41 Min Soldier GNE Civilian = | | Turi 7:50 Min Sharpshooter MG Silver Dragons = | | Xila 7:55 Min Soldier SPC Shadow Elite = | | Wheels 31:01 Min Civilian CIV Civilian = | | Ajax 1:31 Hrs Civilian GNE Civilian = | + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DAdmin=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D + | Chant 7 Sec Swordsman CEO Civilian = | | ? Eraser ..:.. ... Hacker GOA Shadow Elite = | ' =3D=3D=3D10 Online=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ' [3 people active recently. 30.0% active. 10.0% active status.] [? =3D Guide] [who * for more listings] [General] * Eblis [Medic] hrms. [General] Eblis [Medic]> How are yoooooooou, Chant-sama? [General] Drake [Hacker]> nothing on the hacking, by the way Chel. [General] Eblis [Medic]> Murr, Duckie. [General] Eblis [Medic]> Murr. [General] * Drake [Hacker] ooohs. [General] Drake [Hacker]> doesn't that mean you're horny? [General] Eblis [Medic]> No. [General] Eblis [Medic]> It's a general word for discontent. [General] Drake [Hacker]> ...right. [General] Drake [Hacker]> I believe that. [General] Chant [Swordsman]> oh, I'm good, lol. [General] Chant [Swordsman]> how are you Ebby-chan? [General] Eblis [Medic]> I'm murrness. [General] Eblis [Medic]> Cause I just got chewed out. [General] Drake [Hacker]> getting chewed out makes you horny? [General] Eblis [Medic]> And I'm bitter, and pouty, and stuff. [General] Eblis [Medic]> No. [General] * Drake [Hacker] smirks. [General] Eblis [Medic]> Other verbs work though. [General] Drake [Hacker]> you know this will never end, right? [General] * Drake [Hacker] knows, not to worry. [General] Eblis [Medic]> lol [General] * Drake [Hacker] needs juice. [General] Drake [Hacker]> lots of juice. [General] Eblis [Medic]> Get juicy? [General] Drake [Hacker]> and maybe some green food. [General] Drake [Hacker]> as all I've eaten for hte past few days has been = assorted candy. [Login] Dive [Guest] has signed on. [General] Drake [Hacker]> we have no juice. [General] Eblis [Medic]> ...dive-o? [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> dive-o?! [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> THERE IS NO WAY YOU ARE DIVE-O [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> ye=3Dn yes [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> there is [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> OMGOMGOMG [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> HI BABY [General] Eblis [Medic]> dIVE-O is on newbie-chan eeeeeeee! [General] * Drake [Hacker] smirks. Xila (#4362) Drake (#8147) Eblis (#8595) Eraser (#152) Chant (#6730) Wheels (#9365) * 6 members on General Eraser (#152) Dive [Guest] (#2243) Drake (#8147) Eblis (#8595) * 4 members on Newbie , =3D=3D=3D=3DPlayers=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DIdle=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle= =3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D . | Drake 0 Sec Hacker PFC Silver Dragons = | | Dive [Guest] 5 Sec Newbie Inactive Inactive = | | Wheels 16 Sec Civilian CIV Civilian = | | Eblis 32 Sec Medic GNE Civilian = | | Fira 16:50 Min Thief CIV Civilian = | | Irony 17:08 Min Soldier GNE Civilian = | | Turi 17:17 Min Sharpshooter MG Silver Dragons = | | Xila 17:22 Min Soldier SPC Shadow Elite = | | Ajax 1:40 Hrs Civilian GNE Civilian = | + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DAdmin=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D + | Chant 4:05 Min Swordsman CEO Civilian = | | ? 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Hacker GOA Shadow Elite = | ' =3D=3D=3D11 Online=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ' [5 people active recently. 45.45% active. 9.090% active status.] [? =3D Guide] [who * for more listings] , =3D=3D=3D=3DPlayers=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DIdle=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle= =3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D . | Drake 0 Sec Hacker PFC Silver Dragons = | | Dive [Guest] 8 Sec Newbie Inactive Inactive = | | Wheels 59 Sec Civilian CIV Civilian = | | Eblis 1:15 Min Medic GNE Civilian = | | Fira 17:33 Min Thief CIV Civilian = | | Irony 17:51 Min Soldier GNE Civilian = | | Turi 18:00 Min Sharpshooter MG Silver Dragons = | | Xila 18:05 Min Soldier SPC Shadow Elite = | | Ajax 1:41 Hrs Civilian GNE Civilian = | + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DAdmin=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D + | Chant 40 Sec Swordsman CEO Civilian = | | ? 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Hacker GOA Shadow Elite = | ' =3D=3D=3D11 Online=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ' [5 people active recently. 45.45% active. 9.090% active status.] [? =3D Guide] [who * for more listings] + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D11 People=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3DGender=3D =3DStatus=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DLocation=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D + |(#152) Eraser [Male] [IDL] Eraser's Quarters (#37) = | |(#2243) Dive [Guest] [Neuter] [NEW] [OOC] Welcome -- Orientation = (#61) | |(#8147) Drake [Male] [IC] Wire [5, 4] (#1077) = | |(#6872) Turi [Female] [IDL] Lance One Quarters -- Eridos = (#1888) | |(#6730) Chant [Male] [OOC] Bridge -- Superwind [105, -12= ] (#1963) | |(#7613) Irony [Female] [IDL] Barracks -- Superwind (#2920)= | |(#7967) Fira [Female] [IDL] Research Lab -- Superwind (#3= 567) | |(#8595) Eblis [Female] [OOC] Claro Lane -- Sardis (#3648) = | |(#8596) Ajax [Male] [IDL] Claro Lane -- Sardis (#3648) = | |(#4362) Xila [Female] [AFK] Claro Lane -- Sardis (#3648) = | |(#9365) Wheels [Male] [OOC] Dance Floor/Lounge of Cantina= Trois (#3681) | + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D + what? <-- Bank Main Frame [5, 4] --> (?) Many numbers can be seen here as the bank's main frame is constantly active= . Users can be seen accessing their accounts as creds are floating in and = out of spaces. A few floating numbers can be seen around this area. One might guess that = they are free creds that are unclaimed. Contents: Nothing. Paths: (N) North (E) East = (SW) South West (S) South (NW) North West = (SE) South East (W) West (NE) North East = (B) Bank Main Frame .----< Bank Main Frame -- Wire (?) >---------------------------------------= -------------------------.----< Map: >----------. | Numbers float in and out of this area heavily. Users can be seen but onl= y for a brief moment to | | | transfer creds and depart. A few free floating numbers are seen lieing a= imlessly around as if | | | they are unclaimed. = | | | = | | | = | [&] | | = | | | = | | | = | | | = | | .----< Contents: >---------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------.----------------------. | Nothing. = | .----< Exits: >------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------. | (O) Out = | '--------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------' what? what? , =3D=3D=3D=3DPlayers=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DIdle=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle= =3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D . | Drake 0 Sec Hacker PFC Silver Dragons = | | Dive [Guest] 23 Sec Newbie Inactive Inactive = | | Eblis 53 Sec Medic GNE Civilian = | | Wheels 1:54 Min Civilian CIV Civilian = | | Fira 18:28 Min Thief CIV Civilian = | | Irony 18:46 Min Soldier GNE Civilian = | | Turi 18:55 Min Sharpshooter MG Silver Dragons = | | Xila 19:00 Min Soldier SPC Shadow Elite = | | Ajax 1:42 Hrs Civilian GNE Civilian = | + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DAdmin=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D + | Chant 14 Sec Swordsman CEO Civilian = | | ? 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Hacker GOA Shadow Elite = | ' =3D=3D=3D11 Online=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ' [5 people active recently. 45.45% active. 9.090% active status.] [? =3D Guide] [who * for more listings] , =3D=3D=3D=3DPlayers=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DIdle=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle= =3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D . | Drake 0 Sec Hacker PFC Silver Dragons = | | Ajax 6 Sec Civilian GNE Civilian = | | Wheels 21 Sec Civilian CIV Civilian = | | Fira 2:20 Min Thief CIV Civilian = | | Irony 2:38 Min Soldier GNE Civilian = | | Turi 2:47 Min Sharpshooter MG Silver Dragons = | | Xila 2:52 Min Soldier SPC Shadow Elite = | | Dive [Guest] 4:16 Min Newbie Inactive Inactive = | | Eblis 4:46 Min Medic GNE Civilian = | + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DAdmin=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D + | Chant 4:07 Min Swordsman CEO Civilian = | | ? 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Hacker GOA Shadow Elite = | ' =3D=3D=3D11 Online=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ' [10 people active recently. 90.90% active. 9.090% active status.] [? =3D Guide] [who * for more listings] what? #0.core_history Owner: MooAdmin (#2) Permissions: r Value: {{"ShadowCore", "Lambda Server 1.8.1+ShadowCore1.5", 97062648= 8}, {"ShadowCore", "Lambda Server 1.8.1+ShadowCore1.5", 1039571276}, {"Shad= owCore", "Lambda Server 1.8.1+ShadowCore1.5", 1038966250}, {"ShadowCore", "= Lambda Server 1.8.1+ShadowCore1.5", 1038965041}, {"LambdaMOO", "1.8.0p6", 9= 70628278}, {"LambdaMOO", "1.8.0r5", 919117596}} , =3D=3D=3D=3DPlayers=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DIdle=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle= =3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D . | Drake 0 Sec Hacker PFC Silver Dragons = | | Ajax 1:37 Min Civilian GNE Civilian = | | Eblis 1:52 Min Medic GNE Civilian = | | Wheels 2:22 Min Civilian CIV Civilian = | | Fira 4:21 Min Thief CIV Civilian = | | Irony 4:39 Min Soldier GNE Civilian = | | Turi 4:48 Min Sharpshooter MG Silver Dragons = | | Xila 4:53 Min Soldier SPC Shadow Elite = | | Dive [Guest] 6:17 Min Newbie Inactive Inactive = | + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DAdmin=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D + | Chant 6:08 Min Swordsman CEO Civilian = | | ? Eraser ..:.. ... Hacker GOA Shadow Elite = | ' =3D=3D=3D11 Online=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ' [8 people active recently. 72.72% active. 9.090% active status.] [? =3D Guide] [who * for more listings] [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> heh. this wouldn't bug me if it weren't for the copy= right (c) blah blah blahmoo on the welcome message. [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> yeeeeah... [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> long story. [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> and is honestly too long to be of any importance t= o anybody other than the parties directly involved. [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> oh, it's of interest to the whole MOO if the admins = don't correct the copyright message :-) [Login] Nimue has signed on. No such channel found. [General] Chant [Swordsman]> Nimueeeee! [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> well, yeah. Becuase they'll become directly invol= ved. [General] Eblis [Medic]> CHEVY! [General] * Drake [Hacker] waves to CLB. [General] Nimue [Soldier]> Chant! [General] Nimue [Soldier]> CHELLAY! [General] * Nimue [Soldier] waves to duck. [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> them or a lawyer and their hosting company [Newbie] Nimue [Soldier]> ...dive.... [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> hi? [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> [to Nimue [Soldier]] never thought you'd see the d= ay, didja? [Newbie] Nimue [Soldier]> no, no way in hell. [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> it's kinda creepy :P You paged Nimue with: Drake can work wonders. ;) You paged Nimue with: if I can do that with the moo and dive, just think wh= at I can do when I'm motivated... [Newbie] * Dive [Guest] is wondering who all these ppl are :P [Newbie] * Eblis [Medic] =3D chel. [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> nimue is CLB. [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> we have no idea who Drake is. [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> also known as Yeva. [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> drake is a sillyhead. i know who drake is. [Newbie] * Nimue [Soldier] nods. [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> NOOO idea who Drake is. [Newbie] * Drake [Hacker] sulks away. [Newbie] * Eblis [Medic] beams. [Newbie] * Eblis [Medic] pets the Duckie. [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> no beamk? [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> not for newbies, duckie. :P [Newbie] * Eblis [Medic] bahs and beamks anyway. [Newbie] * Drake [Hacker] yays! Channel Name Aliases: = =20 -------------------- -------- = =20 * [General] General, Gen, G, Moo, and M = =20 [Intermoo] Intermoo, Interm, Inter, and Int = =20 * [Login] Login = =20 * [Info] Info = =20 [Status] Status = =20 * [Prog] Prog, Pro, Pr, and P = =20 * [Newbie] Newbie, Newb, New, Ne, and N = =20 * [Dragons] Dragons, Dragon, Drago, Drag, Dra, Dr, D, and Silver = =20 * [Droid] Droid, Droi, Dro, and Dr = =20 --[ Temp ]---------- --[ Owner ]--------- --[ Aliases ]--------------------= -------------------------------------------------- [Ideas] TheOtherNemesis Ideas, Idea, Ide, and Id = =20 * [Sing] Lana Sing, Sing, and Si = =20 -------------------- -------------------- ---------------------------------= -------------------------------------------------- 11 channels found. [L] =3D Locked Temp Channel Nimue replied: Nimue wonders... You paged Eblis with: like I said to CLB, if I can get this to happen, just= think what I can do when I'm actually motivated. ;) Eblis replied: Eblis giggles. [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> it doesn't seem right, seeing Dive instead of dive= ... [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> almost... satanic. [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> i know, it freaks me out. [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> [to Dive [Guest] [Newbie]] are you the spawn of sa= tan? At the very least his brother-in-law or something? [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> maybe his distant cousin, twice removed? [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> why did it put the channel in that...? [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> it did? [Newbie] * Drake [Hacker] nods. [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> where? [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> [to Dive [Dive [Guest]] [Newbie]] [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> [Newbie] Drake> [to Dive [Dive [Guest]]] ar [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> TOO MANY BRACKETS [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> i know! [Newbie] * Dive [Guest] dies of bracket overload [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> guh! Nimue replied: Why is he here? [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> I should really fire up tkMOO, doing it through VNC = to another box makes the fonts all wonky [Newbie] Eblis [Medic]> fontsies? In Reply To Nimue: it's a long story, essentially that being that shadow us= es foocore but doesn't want to give credit for using it. [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> is tkmoo what you were using in the screenshot I s= aw? [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> drake: i agree, the capital d in dive sucks Nimue replied: Yeah they renamed it "ShadowCore" after a few alterations. E= raser's going to be SO PISSED. [Newbie] * Eblis [Medic] poofs, so she can go...talk. [General] * Eblis [Medic] poofs on here too, so she can go...talk. [Login] Eblis has signed off the moo. [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> drake: be more specific, I have a lot of screenshots= :P [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> if you saw me MOOing, it was most likely tkMOO In Reply To Nimue: Drake shrugs. "It's gotta be done. At least this way d= ive started talking to friends so he's not in a bad mood." [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> you were using tkmoo light [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> screenie.png [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> you made your own who macro for that who, also? [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> yeah [Newbie] * Drake [Hacker] needs to make one much like that [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> after I figure out how to edit who in general You paged Dive [Guest] with: you would probably be better off just moomaili= ng him and checking back later about it... [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> http://www.endersgame.net/~dive/foo.jpg [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> thats what im looking at now [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> nice [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> vnc [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> yea, i'm VNC'd to another machine so I can still get= the KDE experience going even though I'm in windows [Newbie] Dive [Guest]> since the LAN is gigabit, there's no lag [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> I need to get that working so I can actually insta= ll things on this computer. [Newbie] Drake [Hacker]> becuase, you know, none of hte two cd drives work.= .. Dive [Guest] replied: I don't have an account here... I'd rather do it thro= ugh e-mail for a better paper trail Dive [Guest] pages with: have him/her/whatever e-mail me... In Reply To Dive [Guest]: Drake nods. You now have email with object number #3732 and parent generic note (#9). what? Line added to note. Line added to note. There appears to be some writing on the note ... have one admin other than chant e-mail dive about core copyright issues email address is address@domain.com. sooner is better. (You finish reading.) [Login] Dive [Guest] has signed off the moo. [General] Drake [Hacker]> alright, sleep time. [General] Chant [Swordsman]> good luck ;) [General] Drake [Hacker]> yeah, really. [General] Drake [Hacker]> Thanks. You paged Chant with: and sorry in advance about how much crap this is goin= g to cause. [Login] Nimue has signed off the moo. [Login] Eblis has signed on. [General] Eblis [Medic]> o_o [General] Eblis [Medic]> Wheelies [General] Drake [Hacker]> night chel. [General] Wheels [Civilian]> Eblis. [General] Eblis [Medic]> Wheels. [General] * Eblis [Medic] nighties to the Duckie! [Login] Eblis has signed off the moo. *** A soft *DING* can be heard as the town clock strikes Midnight. *** [Login] Wheels has signed off the moo. [Login] Ajax has signed off the moo. [Login] Chant has signed off the moo. [Login] Chant has signed on. *** A loud *DONG* can be heard as the town clock strikes Noon. *** [Login] Ethan has signed on. [Login] Chant has signed off the moo. [Login] Chant has signed on. [Login] Chant has signed off the moo. *** A soft *DING* can be heard as the town clock strikes Midnight. *** [General] Eraser [Hacker]> Drake: if you bring dive on this moo again, you'= ll be banned along with him - got it? [Login] Chant has signed on. [General] Eraser [Hacker]> that goes for anyone else too [Login] Naum has signed on. [General] * Eraser [Hacker] waves to Naum. [General] Naum [Soldier]> Hello, there! [Login] Naum has signed off the moo. , =3D=3D=3D=3DPlayers=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DIdle=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle= =3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D . | Drake 0 Sec Hacker PFC Silver Dragons = | | Xila 1:28 Min Soldier SPC Shadow Elite = | | Fira 7:04 Min Thief CIV Civilian = | | Irony 7:22 Min Soldier GNE Civilian = | | Turi 7:31 Min Sharpshooter MG Silver Dragons = | | Ethan 3:15 Hrs Terrorist CIV Civilian = | + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DAdmin=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D + | Chant 7:36 Min Swordsman CEO Civilian = | | ? Eraser ..:.. ... Hacker GOA Shadow Elite = | ' =3D=3D=3D8 Online=3D=3D=3D=3D --:-- --- =3D=3D=3D=3DTitle=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3DRank=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DArmy=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ' [2 people active recently. 25.0% active. 12.5% active status.] [? =3D Guide] [who * for more listings] [Prog] Drake [Hacker]> so let me get this straight: I can be banned for bri= nging somebody on the moo who is harmless? [Prog] Someone> O.o [Prog] Eraser [Hacker]> you already lost your progbit for instigating the s= ituation what? ,---< Drake [Hacker] >-----------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------. | Full name: Drake Esbenshade = | | Alias: Drake = | +-< Date of Birth >--------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | June 18, 3069 = | | Age: 25 = | +-< Personality >----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Drake is a casual person, only reacting when the situation dictates and r= equires it. He realizes that, much more often | | than not, things can't be changed from the way they are now, so he doesn'= t like to fuss about things too much. | +-< Background >-----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Drake was manufactured on Aikion Vale, by a pigfarmer and his buck toothe= d wife. They didn't know how to screw things, | | so they used paste to assemble him, paste made of pigs' fat and mud. For= parts, they used the spark spitting remains of | | a talking washing machine, and a working toy tractor, a misdirected gift = from Sardis. The washing machine used to | | identify and specify every article of clothing put into it, and from crea= tion, Drake had this strange fascination with | | the clasps of bras. = | | = | | One day, while the McKanner's daughters were visiting, Drake attempted to= remove the bra from one, and was thus ejected | | from the house permanently. A junk dealer took the mischief-causing robot= to the docks, to try and barter or sell him | | off to a passing traveller. One foolish bloke took the robot, and only up= on reaching Eridos did he realize what a | | disastrous transaction had been made for a piece of technology that ruine= d any chances of his procreating. While the | | bloke was on a date, Drake followed and attempted to remove the bra of th= e bloke's date. Drake was then abandoned | | outside of the Eridos Spaceport. So now he wanders, abandoned, lost, and = still unguided. Poor thing. | | = | | Well, he used to do that. A long while back, a kind soul took pity on Dr= ake. He realized the potential that Drake had, | | the things that he could become and he repaired Drake. Nothing fancy, ju= st enough to end his complete fixation with | | mammaries. Drake protected that man until he died of old age. To this d= ay, he looks for work wherever he can find it. | | Having had his moralistic circuits removed or bypassed, this usually mean= s it involves killing or stealing or another | | such illegal activity. = | +-< Family Tree >----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | = | +-< Public Knowledge >-----------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | = | +-< Army >-----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Silver Dragons = | +-< OOC Name >-------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | OOC name is unset. = | +-< OOC Age >--------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | OOC Age is unset. = | +-< OOC Location >---------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | OOC Location is unset. = | +-< OOC Email >------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | OOC Email is unset. = | +-< Aim/ICQ/MSN >----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | Aim/ICQ/MSN is unset. = | +-< OOC Interests >--------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------+ | OOC Interests is unset. = | '--------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------' You left the Prog channel. [General] Drake [Hacker]> fine, thjat's fine [General] Eraser [Hacker]> page me [General] Eraser [Hacker]> take this off gen chan You paged Eraser with: but telling the whole moo about banning me is fine f= or hte gen chan? Eraser is idle: (You might not get a response). Eraser pages with: that was a warning to everyone... I don't plan on bannin= g you, if I don't have to Eraser replied: honestly, I like you - I just don't trust you anymore [General] Xila [Soldier]> o.o [General] Xila [Soldier]> mooo --- Help File 'rules' from Help DB 'Game = Help (#1028) --- =20 *** Read all the rules very carefully. Ignorance to them will not be accep= table for breaking any rules. You will be notified when rules are updated = or changed. Breaking rules will result in a temp-newt of 2 days. (Meaning= you can't sign onto the moo for 2 days. This will apply to all alts you o= wn. In some cases you may receive a longer temp-newt to a permanent ban. *= ** =20 1) Requests for Command, Admin, or wizard bits will be denied. Either we d= on't know you well enough for these positions or we don't have one opened. = To become a guide please refer to `help guide'. 2) Alts are permitted. There is no current limit to the amount of alts you= may own but we do ask that you only create alts you will play. If you are= caught making alts just to take up space you will be banned from the moo. = Further more, if we find that in any way you are using too much server spa= ce, cpu, or attacking the moo with commands you will be banned from the moo= for life. Most of the programming prevents you from combating your alt. = This is to prevent cheating amongst the EXP system. If you find a way arou= nd that you are required to report it to an admin. Combating each other to= 1 hit point and stopping so you prevent a player kill is illegal. It is c= heating to get exp and not to be done. If you wish to combat for training = RP purposes please use the training facilities and the VR Combat room. Any= one caught cheating in any way for EXP will be temp-newted. 3) Although Alts are permitted, you may only sign on alts you own. Do not s= ign on your friends account(s)/alt(s), for any reason. This makes sure you = never do anything OOCly with your friends character, as you have no real re= ason to be on their account in the first place. 4) All admin are just that.. admin. Do listen to what they ask of you or a= sk you to stop doing. If you don't you will be punished (see 'Help Enforce= ments'). If admin are ordering you to do something against the rules you a= re encouraged to ignore and contact the moo owner. If admin abuses their p= ower please mail Nemesis at Nemesis@ShadowIncarnate.com so that admin can b= e removed. =20 5) If you are bothering someone stop. If someone is bothering you, ask kin= dly and use the @gag system. If it continues contact admin for assistance.= Insulting and belittling will not be tolerated. These rules are here to insure the moo runs smoothly and is enjoyable for a= ll players. If you follow the rules and keep everything in character your = game play here will be more fun for yourself as well as everyone else. If = you have questions on any of these rules please feel free to contact an adm= in member. Related Topics: 'Help Rights' 'Help Privacy' 'Help Enforcements' 'Help no-c= ontact' 'Help Responsibility' 'Help Conduct' 'Help Ownership' 'Help Terms' --- End of Help File --- = =20 [General] Xila [Soldier]> ah, I miss all the action X_x [General] Xila [Soldier]> Hey, Eraser! Xila tried to hit a guy with a wrenc= h through his energy shield last night! Eraser replied: Nemesis will make the final call, but what you started does= not look good for you --- Help File 'rights' from Help DB 'Game = Help (#1028) --- =20 All members of the Shadow Incarnate community, regardless of role, have the= right to:=20 1. Dictate the actions of their characters.=20 2. Ignore other players.=20 3. Keep complaints anonymous.=20 4. Be considered innocent until proven guilty.=20 5. Receive explanations for OOC decisions involving them.=20 6. Not be detained for more than twenty-four hours or without a stated reas= on.=20 7. Appeal any decision involving them for up to twenty-four hours afterward= s.=20 Notes:=20 Every player has the right to dictate the actions of his or her characters.= However, we reserve the right to declare a character action or an entire c= haracter unrealistic and therefore invalid. Such a declaration (called a 'r= etconn' [retroactive-connectivity] decision) effectively constitutes a rewr= ite of our IC history to eliminate the action or possibly the character its= elf (and all consequences thereof).=20 Explicit permission must be given before a person's identity may be disclos= ed to others in conjunction with a complaint originating from that person.= =20 Refusing to talk or interact with certain people may result in being denied= access to privileged positions (admin, guides, developers, programmers, et= c.).=20 Appeals must be sent directly to the Shadow Incarnate administration. Failure to abide by decisions while awaiting a verdict will invalidate appe= als.=20 Related Topics: 'Help Privacy' 'Help Enforcements' 'Help no-contact' 'Help = Responsibility' 'Help Conduct' 'Help Ownership' 'Help Rules' 'Help Terms' --- End of Help File --- = =20 [General] Eraser [Hacker]> good for Xila :P [General] * Eraser [Hacker] ICly hopes the guy kills her. [General] * Chant [Swordsman] wonders how Xila is still alive anyway. :P Eraser replied: I would suggest you start to explain yourself In Reply To Eraser: to be completely honest, I'm hardly caring about this c= haracter anymore. Keep in mind that when I use the word 'you' in the next = few pages, I don't mean 'you' directly, but rather 'admin' as a whole. It = wouldn't be fair to point a finger at you or Nem individually. Eraser replied: I have nothing againts you, your character, etc. - but I do= have a problem with you starting something like that [General] Xila [Soldier]> oh, she's been sleeping with Larkhill. :P In Reply To Eraser: I don't remember what's on the welcome message exactly,= but dive mentioned something about copyright. If you are so concerned abo= ut keeping copyright not a problem or whatever, why would you go through th= e core_history and take out all mention of foocore? [General] Xila [Soldier]> <.< I just killed the chan, didn't I... Eraser replied: This is not foocore, this is ShadowCore - that is why. In Reply To Eraser: but shadowcore is built off of foocore Eraser replied: ShadowCore is built off Lambda Moo, with a few modification= s which also make up foocore In Reply To Eraser: speaker for the dead isn't ender's game, but it's part = of the ender series therefore fits under the copyright protection of it. Eraser replied: actually, your mistaken Eraser replied: Speak for the Dead is a derivative work of the Ender Series= - owned by the same person In Reply To Eraser: that would be fine if you started with lambda core and = included your own version of some code that appears on foocore for function= . But you didn't. You took foocore and modofied that directly. And then = denied that it was foocore. In Reply To Eraser: either way, you see what I'm tyrying to get at. Eraser replied: therefore, it not only retains the original copyrights and = ability to use the characters, under Fair Use - it also gets its own copyri= ght as a creative work In Reply To Eraser: I know you're not stupid and I know you understand what= I meant by that. Eraser replied: Eraser also knows the laws. Eraser replied: if you and dive want to get into a copyright match, our law= yers will ablige In Reply To Eraser: -I- personally do not want anything like that, but hte = instant you start threatening to ban me for it, it becomes my problem. Eraser replied: If you become a problem, the easiest way to deal with it is= you ban you and let the courts sort it out Eraser replied: Eraser won't let you become a disruption to the game Eraser replied: whether you get banned or not is up to you, honestly Eraser replied: Eraser isn't out to cause trouble, or ban people for mistak= es - but I do not appreciate being threatened Eraser replied: or bringing the situation to the players on the moo *** A loud *DONG* can be heard as the town clock strikes Noon. *** Eraser replied: saying something to admin is one thing, once you start brin= ging players into it your creating a scene In Reply To Eraser: well, either way, you should go talk to him yourself. There appears to be some writing on the note ... have one admin other than chant e-mail dive about core copyright issues email address is *edited*. sooner is better. (You finish reading.) In Reply To Eraser: address@domain.com Eraser replied: no thanks, its not my problem Eraser replied: I'll take care of the situation here, if he wants to persue= - he knows how to get in contact with me In Reply To Eraser: what, show up on the moo and then you go and ban somebo= dy? Eraser replied: I won't ban you if he shows up, as long as your not involve= d in it Eraser replied: that is my main problem Eraser replied: you got involved, and involved the players In Reply To Eraser: hey, why don't you take out lambda core from the histor= y too? Eraser replied: because Lambda Core put a lot of work into it, and we would= n't be here without them In Reply To Eraser: and what, dive and Matrix and end and trunks... all th= ose people did nothing, just slap another label on it? [General] Chant [Swordsman]> you sure did, meanie Eraser replied: Eraser didn't say that. Eraser replied: and we didn't just "slap another label on it" Eraser replied: as I've said, this is completely different than foocore Eraser replied: $dive_utils isn't even used In Reply To Eraser: oh, I'm not trying to say that you did, I can see many = changes around, even in things like $console, but it's not like they sat on= their ass, tinkered with one or two thigns and called it foocore In Reply To Eraser: neither did you, yet it deserves to be called shadowcor= e. So why not include foocore, just to be on the safe side? Eraser replied: I've seen dives modifications, they didn't substantially mo= dify the actual core server Eraser replied: he added a few modifications and tinkered with the networki= ng In Reply To Eraser: no, it's what they added to it. Eraser replied: thats about all In Reply To Eraser: things like $dive_utils and other assorted utils. Eraser replied: which aren't even used Eraser replied: we could delete them right now, and no one would care In Reply To Eraser: you use $console Eraser replied: the fact remains, you started a scene on something that did= n't really need to be Eraser replied: $console... sure, but every verb has been recoded Eraser replied: just because we have the same prop on #0 Eraser replied: doesn't mean its the same thing Eraser replied: we have $player too Eraser replied: and $container Eraser replied: and $note In Reply To Eraser: exactly. it's been -recoded-, not started from fresh In Reply To Eraser: correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think lamda has $c= onsole Eraser replied: it has a form of it, yes Eraser replied: it has to In Reply To Eraser: I just still don't see what's so hard about including f= oocore in the core history. Eraser replied: thats not the issue at all In Reply To Eraser: so what is then? Eraser replied: no one even sees the core history but programmers Eraser replied: so whats the point? In Reply To Eraser: how many people look at the copyright information at th= e front or back of a book they are reading for leisure? Eraser replied: a lot of people, actually In Reply To Eraser: and whats to stop a normal player for asking a progger = or admin for the core history? [General] Xila [Soldier]> XD [General] * Xila [Soldier] cackles [General] * Xila [Soldier] gacks and looks for her watch o.o Eraser replied: it just doesn't happen that often In Reply To Eraser: the fact that it isn't done very often doesn't change a= nything about how the information needs to be correct Eraser replied: the information is correct, honestly - we don't want to be = connected to dive in any way In Reply To Eraser: if a novelist didn't have a piece of work that he used = in his works cited he would be charged with plagarism [General] Chant [Swordsman]> well.. don't tell me what time it is :P Eraser replied: yup, and his work was never released under a Creative Commo= ns license either In Reply To Eraser: if you didn't want to be connected to dive, you shouldn= 't have started with foocore In Reply To Eraser: you don't want to be connected with him, but you don't = want to do the nitty gritty work for yourself. Am I the only person who se= es a problem with that? Eraser replied: if dive has a problem with it, then he should restrict the = license on future versions of foocore Eraser replied: he has the right Eraser replied: what your also not understanding, is there is a major diffe= rence from taking off "foocore" and taking his name off the code he did [General] * Xila [Soldier] doesnt want to be late for mass... which is in a= n hour x.x Eraser replied: anyone who edits the core itself can see the code dive did = - his name is all over it In Reply To Eraser: but the first thing you tell to your proggers is that t= hey can't look at anything without permission from admin Eraser replied: exactly, because we don't want our code stolen Eraser replied: our code is not yet released publically In Reply To Eraser: but that's what youre doing by not giving credit to foo= core: stealing code Eraser replied: nope, foocore is released publically Eraser replied: its in the public domain In Reply To Eraser: doesn't matter if little 6yr old johnny made it or nasa= made it and make it public, it still legally belongs to them and if you mo= dify it, you have to give credit where due. In Reply To Eraser: you think researchers don't give credit to authors who'= se books they get information from if they found the book in the library an= d thus read the information for free? Eraser replied: not true, you should read up on copyright law [General] Chant [Swordsman]> lol [General] Chant [Swordsman]> welp, I think I'm finally off to bed [General] Chant [Swordsman]> enjoy mass [General] Drake [Hacker]> night Chant. [General] Xila [Soldier]> nite In Reply To Eraser: I know enough about copyright laws to know that if you = use something, even an idea from somebody else, you have to give credit for= it in works cited. In Reply To Eraser: which is what's -not- happening here. [General] Chant [Swordsman]> night all :) Eraser replied: its a very different world from literary copyright to code = copyright In Reply To Eraser: but the theme is the same: you take something: give cre= dit for it. On my moo, when somebody wants some code, I tell them sure, ju= st make sure that the credit is still given for who originally wrote it and= everybody is fine with that. Know why? Becuase it's more work to -not- g= ive credit than just leave well enough alone. Eraser replied: yeah, we're planning on releasing the core soon Eraser replied: if and when we do that, its a different situation In Reply To Eraser: so if I were tot ake shadow core, modify many things (b= ut not all of them) and use that core for my moo, I wouldn't have to cite S= hadowcore in the core history? Eraser replied: legally, no Eraser replied: of course, it'd be nice In Reply To Eraser: ok, maybe I'll get all my friends to do that. We'll ca= ll it foocore, too. Eraser replied: thats good, cause ShadowCore isn't publically released Eraser replied: if you did it now, we could easily sue you In Reply To Eraser: explain to me exactly why you don't want anything to do= with dive? Eraser replied: because dive causes problems, like this Eraser replied: all the time Eraser replied: and he's an asshole In Reply To Eraser: you only brought this upon yourself by using foocore in= the first place. If you knew he caused problems, why didn't you just star= t with lambda? Eraser replied: because we didn't have a copy of lambda Eraser replied: again, it doesn't really matter Eraser replied: we didn't bring this upon ourselves, you started it In Reply To Eraser: I right now can find lambda core online Eraser replied: dive started things with Ezran in the past Eraser replied: even though thats between them, he seems to hate me because= of it Eraser replied: even with him not being involved in Shadow anymore Eraser replied: dive continues to start to cause problems Eraser replied: and I knew you would too Eraser replied: you almost didn't get a progbit, because I assumed you were= dive's lapdog - and I was right In Reply To Eraser: you knew I would cause problems? Hah! I'm not anybody= 's lapdog. If this were the toehr way around I'd still be doing this, you = know. Eraser replied: honestly, yes - I knew where you came from Eraser replied: I knew how you got here, and I drew the conclusions Eraser replied: Nemesis is the only reason you got a progbit In Reply To Eraser: that's good. I'm glad you saw that. but it doesn't ch= ange the fact that what was done here is wrong Eraser replied: No, no it doesn't - what you did was very wrong. In Reply To Eraser: Drake shrugs. "You may view it that way, there's nothi= ng I can do to change that if you're mind is made up on it." Eraser replied: The way you approached it is wrong In Reply To Eraser: I'm not going to argue with you the way I approached it= . Eraser replied: If you or dive would have just asked for foocore to be adde= d to the core_history instead of making a big deal about it Eraser replied: we might have obliged In Reply To Eraser: I did do that Eraser replied: but you made a scene about it Eraser replied: and tried to tell me what we're doing is illegal Eraser replied: which is completely wrong In Reply To Eraser: I said that to you, not in those exact words though, la= st night. what? Eraser replied: I wasn't even around but for 5 minutes last night In Reply To Eraser: before you went to sleep Eraser replied: before I went to sleep, I had planned to talk to Nemesis ab= out it Eraser replied: I didn't think you'd escalate the situation Eraser replied: which is my problem Eraser replied: as I said, your talking to me about it is fine Eraser replied: I had no problem with that, my problem was when you brought= dive on after I went to sleep Eraser replied: and included Chel and Nimue Eraser replied: and the rest of the moo In Reply To Eraser: and so what, now that the issue is larger, you're unwil= ling to do anything about it? When it becomes more important to do somethi= ng about the issue, you will stand there and do nothing? Eraser replied: now its the point Eraser replied: legally, we're under no obligation to do anything Eraser replied: as I said, it would be nice - and I understand dive's posit= ion Eraser replied: my problem, is how it was gone about In Reply To Eraser: whatever. We can argue about this until we're both blu= e in the face and I can see that nothing I can say or do will change your m= ind. So you might as well just remove my character right now and be done w= ith the whole thing. Eraser replied: Eraser doesn't want to do that. In Reply To Eraser: why not? I can't prog for you anymore, I hardly RP on = here, and you view me as a troublemaker? Eraser replied: as I said, I have no problem with you - just the way you ap= proached the situation Eraser replied: you've never progged anything to begin with Eraser replied: and I dunno, that may only be a temporary loss of progbit Eraser replied: it depends on how Nemesis views the situation Eraser replied: and your actions in the future In Reply To Eraser: no, I can see right now that, based on what you've told= me before, how you think I'm "dive's laptop" and how you "knew I would cau= se problems" that I'd never get a progbit back. Eraser replied: not true, you got the progbit to begin with anyways In Reply To Eraser: and, based on previous actions of the admin of this moo= , I'd be lucky if I go on to have any sort of important position even RP wi= se. Eraser replied: explain? Eraser replied: the admin on this moo are very level headed Eraser replied: Eraser doesn't know what "previous actions" your talking ab= out. In Reply To Eraser: level headed? you're admin, right? And you don't want= to give credit to dive or any othe the other people who worked on foocore = becuase you dislike him? That's levelheaded? Eraser replied: I don't want dive anywhere near the moo, he causes nothing = but problems Eraser replied: If he were to change his attitude, my opinion might change Eraser replied: the people who worked on foocore are given credit where cre= dit is due In Reply To Eraser: what's he supposed to do, give you guys a box of candy = saying "please give foocore credit?" Eraser replied: thats how it works in the business world, yes In Reply To Eraser: heh... Sure. Which chocolates do you want? :P Eraser replied: again, as I said - my only problem is the presentation Eraser replied: if your willing to be civalized about it, and dive is as we= ll Eraser replied: then maybe we can discuss something Eraser replied: otherwise, I won't even deal with it In Reply To Eraser: how about this: If I can get dive to ask you (again, yo= u =3D admin, not you personally) to include foocore in the credits or whate= ver, you will take another shot at working this out? [Login] Eblis has signed on. In Reply To Eraser: sorry, ask you nicely as opposed to just saying "i'll g= et my lawyers" I meant to say [General] Eblis [Medic]> Murr. [Login] Eblis has signed off the moo. Eraser replied: if dive wants to be civil and actually treat us like human = beings Eraser replied: and stop talking crap about this moo, then yes Eraser replied: we might agree to it Eraser replied: if he wants to keep threatening us and talking crap about u= s, no - we won't In Reply To Eraser: he doesn't talk crap about this moo at all, actually. = I haven't once heard him say anything about shadow or ezran on foomoo. Eraser replied: maybe not him directly but his pose Eraser replied: accent the e In Reply To Eraser: I don't do it, if you want to include me in that pose, = and I haven't heard anybody else. Honestly, we don't bring it up at all. Eraser replied: well, its been done in the past - and situations like this = always seem to come up In Reply To Eraser: alright, I sent him a moomail. He's not online at the = moment, but he'll get it soon enough. Eraser replied: thanks, I'll talk to Nemesis and see if we can get this sit= uation resolved Eraser replied: we might reinstate your progbit In Reply To Eraser: just saying that all he has to do is ask, something lik= e "hey, think you could put foocore in the credits there?" and that should = be fine. In Reply To Eraser: you don't want him coming on here, who should he e-mail= about it then? Eraser replied: he can come here, as long as he doesn't start shit In Reply To Eraser: Drake nods. "Alright, I'll let him know about that." In Reply To Eraser: thanks for acting liek a grownup about this, too. Eraser replied: Eraser would love him to start a character. what? In Reply To Eraser: it's hard to argue with children. Eraser replied: I have nothing againts dive himself, just his attitude In Reply To Eraser: ok, getting him to have a char would be pushing it and = you know that. :P Baby steps for now. Eraser replied: I'd love to merge the two cores and make a super moo core Eraser replied: he's done some good stuff, and we've done some good stuff In Reply To Eraser: indeed. In Reply To Eraser: anywho, I have crap to do. later. [General] Drake [Hacker]> time for work stuff. ------=_Part_53546_20038065.1150059799370--