From: Ken McCarthy Date: Jun 12, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: RE: Drake To: Drake Wow, you are the most ignorant person I have ever met. You need to look through the code more, hell you even had access to some of it, the footnotes are there giving credit to the people who coded parts of the game but you need to understand one thing. We are anti-foomoo which means we want nothing to do with them or their coding. @grep dive, @grep matrix, @grep nell, @grep czar, @grep ashen. You wont find anything because we DON'T use their coding you jackass. What you have done is started a fight with two moos that didn't need stirring. You have added to giving a bad name to a game because you don't understand the issue and you try to act like you are doing well in your action yet you have none of your information correct. Instead of talking to admin about the issue and getting more details before you ran like a snivling baby, you went straight to the people who have done nothing but cause problems for as many people as they could and told them false information to rile up nonesense. Keep in mind that foomoo is written in many places that it is a game to help teach people programming yet when people ask for help the ones who know it tell them to shoo and get help elsewhere. If you want to get into false details, start looking at your source. I knew from the moment you signed on who you were and you were going to cause trouble. You fed me this bullshit you just wanted to find Ezran and talk to him to clear up things and I knew that was shit. I knew when you found out Ezran wasn't around anymore and you stayed and we saw you were a wizard on dive and Czar's moo that you would cause trouble. I have to admin, it took longer than I thought it would. Next time you are going to start something, please get your information correct. Reread what Eraser said, we don't use foomoo. Have we in the past? Yes, do we now? HELL NO! Thanks for being a jackass with incorrect information. You acted with it just as I knew any foomoo player would. -----Original Message----- From: Drake [mailto:address@domain.com] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:06 PM To: Nemesis Cc: dive@endersgame.net; Anne Robinson; Alex Van Patten Subject: Re: Drake You shouldn't be sorry about your decision to trust me. That's not the underlying issue here. What the issue is is that you (read: shadow admin) are unwilling to give credit where due. You seem more than happy to turn around and blame other people for problems which you helped to cause, but to be a part of the solution? That's unquestionable. Oh, and if you think I'm going to feel guilty for any of this, you're sadly mistaken. I do not feel bad for my actions and, given the chance, I would do it all over again in a heartbeat. Even if the roles were reversed; even if dive were the one who was using code belonging to somebody else without properly citing it or giving proper credit where due. We have countless accounts of Eraser stating directly and in context that shadowcore is built off of FooCORE. If that isn't enough proof right there, one of your own admin blaitantly saying that our position in all this is correct, then I don't think there is anything myself, dive or anybody else on the entire planet of Earth can do to help prevent things like this from happening to you again and again in the future. Shadow was fun. It was fun while I was ignorant about it. But now that I know what I know, I feel morally obligated to do something to solve the issue; I can't just sit around and let it slide. It's just a pity that this couldn't have been resolved. After all, dive wasn't looking for copyright to anything. Just a mention that he and all the other members of the FooCORE team helped, even if in the slightest way, towards the creation of Shadow. Please note that this is not the first account of me hearing of Shadow using somebody else's code without proper permission or even significant mention. It is obvious to me that this is a reoccuring theme on Shadow and it makes me glad to know that none of my code will be taken and called somebody else's. Finally, please do not contact me about this issue ever again. Please do not have any other admin or member of ShadowMOO concact me about this issue again. I have nothing against you or any of the admin on the moo personally or any of the MOO's members, but if this becomes a problem, I will have no hesitation in taking legal action against whomever is harassing me. These statements apply to anybody affiliated with FooCORE or any of FooCORE's members as well, provided that they wish them to. On 6/11/06, Nemesis wrote: > > > > > Well, I am not sure the reason for you starting trouble with the moo and > dive like that. You were warned when you joined, we didn't trust you > because of your relationship with dive and Czar and you swore it would be > ok. Seeing as how you ran over to start trouble with information you don't > fully understand, your position with the game has been questioned. > > I have known for some time you are a wizard with Czar and dive and we still > gave you a chance to join the game and become a programmer. We warned you > and for giving you a chance, this is how you repay us? > > > > I have to say, I am very disappointed. I was wrong about you Drake. > > > > -- Nemesis, > > Shadow Incarnate Moo Owner -- -Drake -- -Drake