Dive [Guest] arrives.

(OOC) * Nemesis nods.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> Please do not kick me before I can speak my piece?

(OOC) * Nemesis isn't.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> okay. Basically, it isn't going to benefit either Foo or
 Shadow Incarnate to continue this pointless argument. I would like to say,
 well, sorry for getting worked up about it, and agree to go our seperate
 ways.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I do not wish for there to be lasting hard feelings
 between our MOOs, since that serves no one. I don't have to like you; you
 don't have to like me. I'm not asking you to like me. Just to accept that I
 can be sensitive to the point of going overboard.

(OOC) * Nemesis nods.

(OOC) * Nemesis offers a hand, "No hard feelings."

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> Ezran, Eraser, well.. we've had our issues in the past.

(OOC) * Dive [Guest] shakes your hand. "No hard feelings. I'm quite happy we
 were able to resolve this without a mutual hate thing going on."

(OOC) * Nemesis knows how heated Ezran can get so I can see where you would
 be put on edge from the start.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> oh, don't even get me started on how Ezran can get me
 started, hehehe

(OOC) * Nemesis pats.

(OOC) Nemesis> So what exactly is going on with you and him?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> again, sorry for blowing up as much as I did. If you'd
 like to stay away from your MOO forever, I will understand perfectly. On
 the other hand, I'm the type who likes to poke my head in from time to time on
 random MOOs, so that's OK too

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> Ezran and I.. that's a really long story.
 Nemesis has heard his side of things but never the other's.  There is
 always 3 versions of a story :P

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> he broke into his ex girlfriends account on FooMOO, and
 exploited a bug in our crappy code (at the time) to delete her account,
 more than once. When I provided him proof, in the form of server logs, he
 basically told me I'd made it all up.

(OOC) Nemesis> Ahh, that sounds like Ezran.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> thus I have a very hard time even coming close to
 trusting anything that comes out of his mouth

(OOC) Nemesis> I can understand that, I would be upset too if that happened
 to me but for what it is worth... he isn't as much of an asshole.  Still
hot tempered but we don't see him much to worry about that :P

(OOC) Nemesis> Dun get me wrong, still an asshole, just a
smaller one :)

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I've heard that he's changed a little bit over the
 years,  but there is still bad blood between us (as evidenced by his e-mail to
 drake, to which I can provide a link)

(OOC) Nemesis> Well, you don't have to worry about him.  Like I said he
 isn't around much, sorta gave up the moo life.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> forgive me if I fail to shed a tear ;-)

(OOC) * Nemesis nods. :P

(OOC) Nemesis> So, how is

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> in any case.. I hate to bring this up, but could you
 possibly ask Eraser to drop the frivolous legal threats? anyone with any
 sense knows that neither of us have a case, and, well, it's just plain
 irritating. As far as FooMOO/FooCORE code goes, I can't prove one way or
 the other that you guys are using it, and if you are, that's fine, if not,
 that's fine too. I'm not interested in getting legal about it.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> FooMOO is doing well, though I'm redoing some licensing
 things due to Eraser's rhetoric.

(OOC) * Nemesis nods and will talk to him.

(OOC) Nemesis> You block charter.com connection on your moo?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> Hrm. let me check

(OOC) * Nemesis tried to sign on when he got your msg earlier but couldn't.
 I use the same internet provider Ezran uses so that limited me from
 accessing you.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> hmm, which MOO, foo or ansible?

(OOC) Nemesis> Foo, dun know Ansible's.  I just went to foomoo.org to get your
 connection.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> wait, yeah, I have most of reno firewalled at the OS
 level

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> due to ezran, not you

(OOC) Nemesis> See, now that isn't fair. He got me blocked :(

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I can remove those, one second

(OOC) * Nemesis nods.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> hrm. can you paste me an @@who on yourself? I've got so
 many different subnets blocked that I'm not sure which you fall under.

(OOC) Nemesis> Wow... that bad?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> well, when Ezran pissed me off last, I blocked every IP
 in Reno that I could find

(OOC) * Nemesis laughs.

(OOC) Nemesis> reno.nv.charter.com

(OOC) Nemesis> Sometimes I use a remedy.remedystaff.com but doubt you
 blocked that.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> you should be good now

(OOC) * Nemesis nods and it is appreciated..

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I honestly do not like holding a grudge... I think Ezran
 is the only person I've ever encountered who really earned it.

(OOC) * Nemesis will be sure to zip his mouth and not tell Ezran so he
 doens't come on.

(OOC) Nemesis> *doesn't.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> if Ezran comes on I can get creative and do something
 like reject one out of every five packets, so he can get on, but will lag
 out ;-)

(OOC) * Nemesis laughs, "That works well.  I think he uses a new internet
now though.  It was different than usual last time I saw him get on."

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> eh, we'll see. I won't do anything unless it becomes an
 issue; I have enough wizards to keep an eye on things

(OOC) Nemesis> Just let them know that if Reno gets on, it may not be him.  I
 don't want to get booted just for signing on.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> are you able to get to FooMOO now?

(OOC) * Nemesis nods.

(OOC) * Dive [Guest] nods. "I never assumed that all of reno was Ezran; it
 was just that he was the only person I ever saw on from Reno, so killing
 off the whole IP range didn't incur many innocent casaulties."

(OOC) Nemesis> Good point. Seems like a logical thing to do. If I have an
 issue with someone and I don't see others use it I do the same.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> same reason you'll never see anyone from korea or china
 on my MOOs... if they're gonna be the spam capitals of the world, well, bye
 :P

(OOC) Nemesis> Lol, Later.

Eraser arrives.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> (the bye was to them, not you)

(OOC) * Nemesis waves to Eraser..

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> heya, eraser

(OOC) Eraser> hello

(OOC) * Nemesis nods and misread, but already hit enter.

(OOC) Eraser> what are you doing here?

(OOC) Nemesis> He came to say

(OOC) * Nemesis grins.

(OOC) Eraser> wtf?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> hmm... $5?

(OOC) Eraser> are you fucking kidding me?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> eraser, please chill

(OOC) Nemesis> Yes, he came to apologize for getting upset last
night.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I come in pease and all that

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> peace too

(OOC) Eraser> yes, peace... somehow I don't believe that

(OOC) Eraser> its only been 5 years, never been peace in those 5 years...
 why now?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> to what are you referring?

(OOC) Eraser> where should I begin?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> whereever you wish

(OOC) * TheOtherNemesis joins with TON cause he promised a rp with another.

(OOC) Eraser> Should we start with problems on ansible? or foomoo? or just
 between you, me and ezran in general?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> as I said, whereever you wish.

(OOC) Eraser> Nemesis is new here, he doesn't know HALF of whats gone on
 between us

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> he is, I believe, listed as owner, where you are
 co-owner. which of you holds the greater rank?

(OOC) Eraser> We share most decisions... but the game was handed over to
 Nemesis, by Ezran - so technically - Nemesis holds the greater rank

(OOC) Eraser> though of course, that doesn't matter here

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I came here for a single purpose. To attempt to end this
 useless conflict.

(OOC) Eraser> understood, and I asked a simple question

(OOC) Eraser> why now? after 5+ years?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> because I have realized that all this MOO drama is a
 waste of time.

(OOC) Eraser> but yesterday, was different?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> yesterday I was pissed. Today I am not.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> many people, myself included, react differently to
 situations when angry.

(OOC) Eraser> you've been "angry" for quite a few number of years

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I've also grown up.

(OOC) Eraser> in one day?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> ...

(OOC) Eraser> thats mighty fast growing up there

(OOC) Eraser> from the "normal dive" yesterday, to the "grow up dive" today

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I came here in hopes of ending this conflict. Is that
 even possible, with yout attitude?
say you do not know me, you do not know who "normal dive" is.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> you do not know me, you do not know who "normal dive"
is.

(OOC) Eraser> dunno, depends on what your actual motives are for "ending
 this conflict"

(OOC) * Eraser has seen 5 years of "normal dive"... with the same
 attitude as yesterday - I've drawn my conclusions

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> my motives are quite simple: this feud is not worth the
 effort spent on constant bickering with one another.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> you are, of course, free to conclude whatever you choose
 - that does not make it true.

(OOC) Eraser> my conclusions are always true

(OOC) Eraser> thats just a fact your going to have to live with

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> nice. So you're infallible?

(OOC) Eraser> if you wish to refer to it as that, its a nice gesture - and I
 appreciate it; however, I doubt it to be completely true

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> but you just stated that your conclusions are always
 true; no human on the earth can make that statement in earnest.

(OOC) Eraser> indeed, it was a generalization - which has yet, this evening,
 to be proven wrong

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> this evening is indicative of all human discourse
 throughout history?

(OOC) Eraser> how does human discourse throughout history have anything to
 do with "normal dive" and you having an alternate motive?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> 1) you claim your conclusions are always correct

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> 2) you claim I have an alternate motive and have yet to
 tell me what that motive may be

(OOC) TheOtherNemesis> Ok, we aren't solving a lot here. What happened in
 the past should be put in the past, clean the slate and start off new. We know
 that most of the tension was caused from Ezran and has continue to many
 other parties involved. Lets see if we can be the first set of people to
 change that.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> TON: That's an idea which I can get behind 100%.

(OOC) * Eraser nods at Nemesis... however, dive has to prove himself to me -
 I don't take this "OMG! I'm GOING TO SUE YOU!" stuff one day, and "OMG!
 PEACE! LOVE! HUGS!" the next thing litely.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> Eraser, if you'd like to get into legalities, you did
 say you'd get all over me with the DMCA last night.

(OOC) Eraser> indeed, and I did call my attorney this morning - your point?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> that your threats are as impotent as your arguments.
 (OOC) TheOtherNemesis> And that I can understand Eraser. You and him have
 more of a history than I am involved in so as dive stated earlier: You
 don't  have to likehim and he doens't have to like you but can we agree to be
civil?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> if you'd like to get legal, feel free to have your
 "attorney" give me a call.

(OOC) * TheOtherNemesis is sorry for his lag responses, rping :P

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> TOM: I was trying to be civil. You yourself can attest
 to my civility throughout this entire discussion. I see no reason for this
 crap  regarding a nonexistant attorney.

(OOC) Eraser> Dive, my attorney would kill himself talking to you - I'd
 rather not loose such an important aspect to my company

(OOC) * Dive [Guest] laughs.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> You must have one hell of an attorney, if they'd commit
 seppuku when presented with a reasonable argument.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> you have no attorney. I doubt you even have a company.

(OOC) Eraser> no, your just that damn annoying - and have yet to actually
 present your "reasonable arguement"

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> my reasonable argument was presented well before you
 entered and started trolling.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> Have your attorney call me.

(OOC) Eraser> your reasonable argument, "PEACE! LOVE! HUGS!"?

(OOC) * TheOtherNemesis notes, calmly hoping you two will follow, "Eraser
 does have a company, it hosts our moo along with a few other things but that
 isn't the point. I saw he stop now while we are ahead and before we get
 ourselves heated."

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I'd love to hear what bullshit charges you want to make
 up.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> TOM: company or not, he lacks a case.

(OOC) Eraser> I have nothing againts you Dive, the attorney is
 for defensive purposes only.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> then have him call me.

(OOC) Eraser> in this case, at least

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I'll discuss it with him.

(OOC) Eraser> why does he need to call you? "we're all friends now?" right?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> you dig yourself deeper and deeper... you're the one who
 was unwilling to accept the offer of pease.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> *peace

(OOC) Eraser> no, I would gladly accept the offer - if I did not believe
 there was an alternate motive

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> what motive might that be?

(OOC) Eraser> as I said earlier, I have nothing againts you

(OOC) Eraser> that sir, is what I've been trying to asertain

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> if you had nothing against me, you would not make
 ridiculous threats to call your nonexistant attorney.

(OOC) Eraser> and that, is spelled hella wrong

(OOC) Eraser> 1.) They are not threats... I'll do what I have to do to
 protect myself - you threatened to sue me, not the other way around.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> say please - I BEG YOU - have your attorney call me. I
 would like to discuss this with someone with a knowledge of the law.

(OOC) Eraser> 2.) nonexistant? think what you wish,
 put a case into the courts and see how quickly this "nonexistant" attorney
 appears

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> Actually, you went DMCA first.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> why do I have a need to bring this to court?

(OOC) * TheOtherNemesis pokes you both, again we are getting no where.

(OOC) Eraser> so now your wanting me to waste my money, so you can talk to
 my lawyer - free of charge?

(OOC) Eraser> how dumb do you think I am?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> Very.

(OOC) Eraser> and you expect peace?

(OOC) Eraser> not the stance of someone who actually wants peace anymore, no.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> not with the likes of you, not anymore, no.

(OOC) Eraser> then my job here is done

(OOC) TheOtherNemesis> K now, this is getting out of hand. I am all
 for you two clearing up what you need to and get it out of the air but if this
is to  end in a matter of being civil I think the insults need to stop.

(OOC) Eraser> as long as you continue hating me, I can go about my life :)

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> TON: can we discuss this on AIM? without the "benefit"
 of eraser?

(OOC) Eraser> I couldn't live with a happy go lucky dive

(OOC) Eraser> Dive: if you want peace with this moo, I come as a package

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> Eraser: so you're just a vindictive bastard who lives to
 make others unhappy? well, congratulations, you've failed. You've simply
 amused me greatly.

(OOC) Eraser> and you sir, have amused me as well

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> rest assured, this dive will remain happy go lucky,
 despite your idiocy

(OOC) Eraser> good to know, then maybe I don't have to continue looking for
 an alternate motive

(OOC) Eraser> even though, I'm almost positive there is one waiting

(OOC) * TheOtherNemesis's aim is always open, on pinfo but I think we need
 to figure out how to resolve everything between us 3 seeing as how Eraser has
 a  big role on here.

(OOC) Eraser> so... say we give this "peace" thing a shot... you going to
 drop your lawsuit threats?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I never made any lawsuit threats. you did.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I merely mentioned that if this MOO was stealing Foo
 code, it could become an issue with a lawyer and your hosting company.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> however, I no longer care

(OOC) TheOtherNemesis> Ever hear of the telephone game?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> you guys can do what you want with this code. enjoy

(OOC) TheOtherNemesis> Drake may have passed the information on slightly
 incorrect.

(OOC) Eraser> being that I'm an employee with that "hosting company" - that
 sir, is a threat.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> oh, well then, by all means, grow some balls.

(OOC) TheOtherNemesis> He is saying if we are stealing code he would sue, two
 things.  One we aren't and two he isn't sueing us now.  Lets move passed
 this.

(OOC) * TheOtherNemesis pokes Dive [Guest]..

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> or is a bit of MOOcode really so important to you that
 you'd spend thousands on a lawyer?

(OOC) Eraser> as I said, defensive purposes only - you made the original
r threat may not have.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> TOM: not only would I not sue, I will grant you license
 to do what you want with any code you may or may not have.

(OOC) * Dive [Guest] laughs.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> defensive purposes... right.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> please, Eraser, have your lawyer call me.

(OOC) TheOtherNemesis> Ok, we are going in a circle. So, what will it take to
 end this civily?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> TOM: Eraser will either need to see sense or shut the
 fuck up.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> neither seem especially likely.

(OOC) Eraser> Dive, why do I need to? You just killed any legal case
you s might have by the "grant of license"... which is kind of you, if we
actually needed it.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> Eraser: I already said I had no intent to pursue a case.

(OOC) Eraser> but anyways, since that pretty much kills this entire arguement
 shole.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> you're the one pulling a nonexistant lawyer out of your
 no doubt massive asshole.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> I ask again: have your lawyer call me.

(OOC) Eraser> nonexistant.. right... and I say again - send me a check for
 the full payment of his time, and I will.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> or else, kindly shut the fuck up. At least Nemesis has
 enough brains to recognize an honest attempt to resolve a difficult
 situation.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> how big of an idiot are you?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> you pay for your lawyer unless you win the case. you
 have no case. I have no case. Nobody gives a shit. shut up.

(OOC) Eraser> then why do you keep asking to talk to him?

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> it's an age-old technique referred to as "calling a
 bluff"

(OOC) Eraser> except the defensive tactic of, "there is no bluff" derailed
 it

(OOC) * TheOtherNemesis would have to admit, if I had to pay for the lawyer
 I wouldn't have him call for a silly argument.

(OOC) Eraser> especially not for $100+ an hour!

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> and TOM shows the ability to connect two neurons; please
 teach Eraser!

(OOC) TheOtherNemesis> Now, regardless of Eraser's lawyer status, lets just
 stop here. You are both getting heated again which does no good.

(OOC) Eraser> dive would break me

(OOC) Eraser> BTW: for one calling me an "idiot" you could at least back up
 your intelligence with the correct letters of the alphabet - its TON not
TOM.

(OOC) * TheOtherNemesis facepalms and doesn't think the insults are helping.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> oh, I made a few typos. I must be ignant.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> TON, I can only hope that in the future you choose to
 associate with people with an IQ above forty. As for you, Eraser, I only
 hope you contract a particularly virulent STD from a hooker.

(OOC) Dive [Guest]> goodbye now.